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Some of the following articles and notes are from the monthly Northwest Newsletter.

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SADDLE MOUNTAIN by Orville McAuthur
Minning Claims Grant by Chris Blickfeldt
NFMS Endowment Fund by Jack Edwards
To mail or not by Frank Posthuma
Kalama Green Mt. by Longview Fiber Co.
Rock Collecting Guide by BLM unknown
Public Lands Access Report by Chris Blickfeldt



NFMS News Article
SADDLE MOUNTAIN (Mattawa, WA) COLLECTING SITE

As many of you know Saddle Mountain has been visited for years by rock hounds to collect petrified wood. An article was just published about collecting there in the May issue of Rock and Gem. That site has now come under some restraints.

The weekend of April 20-22, 2007 there was a POW WOW field trip, as well as some other rockhounds, digging for petrified/opalized wood at Saddle Mountain. Some of the members had a ‘run in’ with a Nathan Maughan. There were crudely made signs posted in various places stating “No Digging”.

During this last week contact was made with the BLM concerning this.

Specifically, Mr. Brent Cunderla, the BLM geologist, informed me that there was a legal problem with some of the Sections at Saddle Mountain.

The BLM owns several sections in the Saddle Mountains. Some of these sections were acquired in the 1990s and the mineral rights were not transferred to the BLM for T15N, R23E, Sections 11 and 13 and T15N, R24E, Section 7. Gary Maughan acquired the mineral estate from Glacier Park, a subsidiary of Burlington Northern Railroad. There is some ambiguity regarding the rights to "rocks of unique character" on these sections. Until this legal question is settled, the BLM is unable to clearly authorize public collection of petrified wood on these lands. Some members of the Hells Canyon Club had a good discussion with Nathan Maughan at Saddle Mountain. Rocky McCall, Marysville Club suggested we “keep the Maughans in the loop,” so Nathan Maughan was contacted. He has met with the BLM and they are going to redo the map at the kiosk and print up a number of official signs to be placed around the properties.

There is a ‘topo/T&R’ map you can go on line and get a map

This map, along with the new BLM postings, should help everyone to define where the three Sections are located in regard to the road(s) and the terrain. If there are questions people may contact Nathan Maughan at Nathan@thequarry.net or phone 509 932-4712, or phone his father Gary Maughan 509-932-4050. Also, contact me at obmcarthur@cpcinternet.com.

Although all surface area belongs to the BLM and wood can be legally collected from the surface without digging in those Sections, it might be prudent not to do so under the circumstances.

The Maughans think they can sell the wood on their mineral claim for a dollar a pound to the rockhounds. If those Sections have opalized wood, it might be worth that amount.

The BLM is in the process of trying to legally straighten out the situation. However, a Judge has already ruled in favor of the Maughans to wit, 'Petrified wood is a mineral and therefore the wood belongs to the Maughans as they legally have the mineral rights. So, it may be some time before a final ruling is made in favor of rockhounds.

This is certainly a unique situation, but one we can live with as there is still plenty of area in which to dig without being in these specific three Sections.

Submitted by Orville McArthur,
Hells Canyon Gem Club,
Lewiston, ID

  • Claims Grant
  • The NFMS has donated funds to help clubs acquire claims. Clubs need to get as many claims as possible in order to keep areas available for guaranteed rockhunting in our futures. Rocky McCall (360-629-2515 or rm711@tgi.net) is in charge of this and is available to help answer your questions. He can also help you fill out the paper work and take some of the fear and misunderstanding out of filing. The federation will donate $50.00 towards your filing fees. This money is all donated at this time and is not coming out of the general fund in any way. Please take advantage of this and help us keep more areas open to rockhounds.

  • Chris Blickfeldt


  • NFMS ENDOWMENT FUND

  • Our NFMS Endowment Fund (EF) needs the help of you as members and your Clubs. As your President, and more importantly as a Club member, I want to pass on the following comment:

  • We had to draw money from the EF several times in 2004 to help overcome budget shortages caused by our Annual Show losses and other problems. The only solution, as I see it, is to increase the fund’s principle to provide future funds if these withdrawals continue. If we expect our Federation to remain a viable organization in the future, we will need to be able to utilize excess EF funds for our programs. Our Federation must come first. Donations of any type will be welcome by the Endowment Fund Committee. Please indicate donations as “Restricted Fund”.

  • Chuck Sonner, NFMS 2nd VP is working on various projects to support the EF. I hope the membership of our Federation will give him full support.

  • I would be interested in any comments, ideas or suggestions, positive or negative, from members or Clubs.

    Jack L. Edwards
    NFMS President
    edwardsj@wwics.com

  • To mail or not to mail That is the Question


    That question, it seems, is being asked by a larger and larger number of rock clubs. In the last two weeks I have had one newsletter editor tell me that they are going to stop sending out exchange newsletters, another is going to start send a newsletter out every three months, and one that is not going to mail newsletters at all, all for the same reason, the cost of postage. I do not want to see exchange newsletters become a thing of the past, nor does the rockhound community. They are too valuable a resource to be lost.

    I think there is a solution that can be utilized by most if not all clubs. Why not send your newsletter by e-mail?

    We e-mailed just under half of our January 2003 newsletter, and I have already received two e-mail exchange newsletters back from other clubs who think the idea is great.

    My club purchased Adobe Acrobat 5 which we use to converts our newsletter into a .pdf file. The advantage of a .pdf file is that it converts any program into a format that can be read with the free Adobe Acrobat Reader which comes installed on most computers. Any web site you visit that has downloadable information, the information is in .pdf format and there is a link to the free reader. Web sites use the .pdf format because the information they provide can not be altered, there by safeguarding their information. My club uses MS Publisher to produce our newsletter, other clubs use MS Word. The Adobe Acrobat 5 program will convert both programs including graphics into the .pdf format.

    We estimate that we will pay for the program in 16 months on just the postage savings. An easier way to figure the cost of the program is, it works out to about 550 newsletters, e-mailed rather than mailed, to pay for the program, that's at .37 cents per newsletter, right now. How many newsletters do you mail right now? How many do the Federations mail each month?

    What are the pro's and con's of sending your newsletter as an e-mail vs. mailing?
    On the plus side:

    1> Your newsletters arrive in one piece, no torn pages, no plastic sacks from the Post Office (for the newsletters in pieces). We had three of those in one month.
    2> For most clubs initially they would probably save slightly less than half of their postage alone. This doesn't include printer supplier, paper, etc.
    3> The newsletters don't get lost.
    4> They arrive sooner.
    5> They can be saved on your home computer for future reference.
    6> The information can not be changed or tampered with in the .pdf format.

    On the minus side:
    1> The cost of the Adobe Acrobat 5 program. We purchased our copy for just over $200. Go to any of the office supply stores and it will cost you $250.
    2> Some large clubs, like the Federations, mail using a bulk rate. This could affect them.
    3> You will still have to mail some of your newsletters.

    For further information visit the following web sites:
    The Adobe Acrobat web site at:
    http://www.adobe.com
    For software buying web sites look at:
    http://www.pricegrabber.com
    http://www.pricescan.com
    http://www.price.com
    These all compare prices from different outlets. The one we chose had no tax and free shipping.

    Frank & Darlene Hart Posthuma
    Editors, Marysville Rock and Gem Club, Inc.
    Member NFMS

    ROCK COLLECTING GUIDE
    Oregon & Washington

    U.S. Bureau of Land Management

     

    GENERAL INFORMATION:

    A wide variety of rocks, minerals, and semi-precious gemstones is available for collecting on 16 million acres of lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in Oregon and Washington. Most BLM lands are open to rock collecting, and some areas, such as the Glass Buttes obsidian area in our Prineville District and a public sunstone area in our Lakeview District, have been specifically set aside for this purpose. Collectors should note that there are some restrictions and a BLM permit may be required, depending on the amount of material you collect, how you collect it, where or when you collect, and whether the material will be used commercially. The following information is provided for the public to be used as a general guide for collecting on BLM lands in Oregon and Washington.

    COLLECTING LIMITS & PERMITS:

    An individual can collect a reasonable amount of rocks and minerals from BLM lands, but a permit or fee may be required if certain amounts are exceeded, as described below. Note: Collecting limits for petrified wood are slightly different.

    PETRIFIED WOOD:

    Collecting petrified wood is free up to 25 pounds per day, plus one piece, but no more than 250 pounds per year. Pooling of quotas among two or more people to obtain pieces over 250 pounds is prohibited. A permit is needed for amounts over these limits.

    REMAINS. ARTIFACTS. AND FOSSILS:

    The excavation, collection or destruction of any human remains and archaeological or historical materials located on Federal land is illegal and prohibited by Federal and State laws. This includes: skeletal materials, arrowheads, flakes, pottery or potsherds, mats, rock art, old bottles, and pieces of equipment or buildings. Any human remains should be left intact and reported to Federal or State authorities immediately. A permit is needed for collecting vertebrate fossils, but not for common invertebrate fossils.

    MINING CLAIMS:

    Collecting rocks, minerals or semi-precious gemstones on mining claims is not advised without the mining claimants consent because the claimant has a legal right to the minerals on the claim, including gemstones. Although mining claims should be marked with posts or markers, not all mining claims can be easily identified in the field. Check with the nearest BLM office to find out if there are any mining claims to watch out for in the area from which you want to collect. Many commonly collected rocks such as chert, petrified wood, obsidian, and cinders are not subject to mining claim location, even though people some times mistakenly stake mining claims for these minerals anyway.

    ROCK STOCKPILES:

    Some BLM rock quarries have stockpiles of crushed rock in them that have been purchased by BLM specifically for road-maintenance work. Removing this stockpiled material is prohibited and considered theft of Federal property.

    CLOSED OR RESTRICTED AREAS:

    Although most BLM lands are open to collecting, some areas such as campgrounds, cultural and historic sites, and natural areas are off limits to collecting. Other types of closures or restrictions, some of which are seasonal, include fire, wildlife, road use, wilderness, and Wilderness Study Areas. Check with the local BLM office for more detailed information before starting out on your collecting excursion.

    OTHER THINGS TO REMEMBER WHEN COLLECTING:


    1. Know whose property you are on.
    2. Get permission to collect on private property.
    3. Limit your excavation depth to four feet from the original ground surface.
    4.Fill in any holes that you have dug.
    5.Leave the area and all gates as you found them.
    6.Find out if there are any fire restrictions in effect.
    7.Stay out of old mines.

    MAPS AND OTHER INFORMATION:

    You should contact either the nearest BLM office for more detailed information about specific collecting sites or our Portland office listed below for the addresses and phone numbers of the various BLM field offices. Many bookstores and rock shops may also have information or sell books and maps that can help you find other privately owned collecting areas.

    U.S. Bureau of Land Management Offices In Oregon.:
    Baker City, Bums, North Bend, Eugene, Lakeview, Klamath Falls, Salem, Tillamook, Medford, Portland, Prineville, Roseburg, Vale.


    U.S. Bureau of Land Management Offices In Washington.:
    Spokane and Wenatchee.

    Please help preserve our heritage. Report any suspicious activity that may involve the theft or vandalism of any remains, artifacts, or fossils to any BLM office.
    February 2000

    A Reasonable Daily Collecting Amount
    - fits into the trunk of a car or,
    - is a partial pickup truck load and,
    - weighs less than 250 lbs.,
    - and the material is for non-commercial use.

    No fee or BLM permit is required.


    More Than a Reasonable Daily Collecting Amount
    - is a full pickup truck load or,
    - involves more than one trip (or partial load) and,
    - weighs more than 250 lbs.,
    - or the material is for commercial use,
    - or explosives or power equipment is used.

    Fee and BLM permit are required.

    Kalama Green Mt. Washington State Rules
    Kalama Site Access Information

    Longview Fiber has sent the (Washington State Mineral Council) WSMC a set of rules to be followed while on their property. This applies to the Kalama area as well as the rest of Longview Fibre land.

    Longview Fiber Rules While On Company Property

    1.) All members will enter through the gate at the same time. Their names and vehicle license numbers will be recorded. They will then be signed out as they leave the property.

    2.) Vehicles must stay on rocked roads only.

    3.) No Digging in any creeks or channels, whether they contain water or are dry. No dirt is to be placed so that it may get in to the creeks.

    4.) No Fires at any time or for any reason.

    5.) No Smoking during travel or while working.

    6.) No camping.

    7.) Anyone found digging in a Creek will be escorted off the property.

    Please be sure to follow these simple rules while on Longview Fiber property. Doing so will help ensure rockhounds’ continued access

    Update: 11/18/03
    Longview Fiber has provided the WSMC with some additional guidelines for access to the Kalama area:

    For safety reasons, Longview Fiber requests all rock hounding recreational users of the Kalama Green Mountain area to get permission before going onto their property. In the summertime they generally close their land to recreational use due to FIRE hazard. Also they may be working the land and at that time there would be no access to the general public. All who take a group must have permission from Denny Mohan of Longview Fiber.

    Thanks for your help

    Judge Redden Ruling
    July 2005

    The extra water for the spills came from the excess water in Idaho and from the dams on the lower Snake River. The water termed excess was more water than needed for irrigation not excess water that dams could not hold. Nobody knows what will happen in future years or if they will be forced to use irrigation water for the Salmon.

    Here are some figures if the dams go or stay.

    If dams are breached shipping costs for grain will increase 28%, irrigators loss of land in Washington alone would be 31,000 acres at a cost of 14 million a year. Electric mills would go up at least 12%; long term jobs a loss of 1500. Economic impact 300 million annually for a 100 years not much for a 400 billion economy. Silt from the dams at least three years before clear water runs at a loss of fish undetermined.

    If the dams stay reservoirs water for irrigation unknown irrigation may take 1million acre-feet of water drying up 643,000-3.2 million acres in Idaho alone costing 45-210 million dollars a year. Electric bills could go up with the loss of water Idaho power customers could go up $70 a month. Shipping will need to dredge the river at Lewiston and the mouth of the Columbia this is being done now.

    How does this affect rockhounds? This affects the economy, the cost of electricity, bread, gas, sugar, and farm subsidies. It will affect access the time of year we can use public lands. With the drying up of lands fire will increase taking away access.

    Having the Judicial Branch making the rules we lose our Republic and a way of life we have had 200 for years. Apathy will not keep our way of life we need to be involved, write or call our congressmen to keep our freedom and way of life.

    The ocean temperature dropping 4 degrees caused the record runs of Salmon. El Nino currants are back raising the temperature of the ocean.

    The warming of the climate is predicted to bring more moisture to the Northwest not in winter snow but in rain. This will give grasses more time to grow changing fire patterns.

    Sweetwater, Wyoming has a new opal find in about a three square mile area. This is fire opal. It should be exciting to see new material come on line.

    A new website for research was requested by congressmen www.opencrs.com. This site gives a chance to see reports given to congressman. This gives us a chance to be ahead of the action not trying to catch up. At this time there is over 8,000 reports on the site. It seems to be easy to navigate through.

    Chris Blickfeldt
    grumpies1@quixnet.net
    Public Lands Access Chairman
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